Tuesday, August 07, 2007

Wake Up America

The Bob Bowman event went off well,
His talk was a fantasy presented as though He were president. Lots of good ideas and insight as to what is needed in our country, but my opinion was it was just another politician with empty promises of a "Chicken in every pot".

America is in big trouble and those in control have no intention of leaving office because if they were not in power they would be tried for war crimes and crimes against mankind. All the pretence about elections is just to occupy us and make us think all will be ok.
The Bridge collapse was orchestrated (see below) to distract from what was going on. Gonzalez defiance and Carl Rove telling congress to shove it by not showing up for a subpoena. Meanwhile the congress caves in and gives Bush more illegal powers.
In case you don't already know it we are well into a dictatorship.

Counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv: Possible Attack on the U.S. Within Ninety Days
"I predict, based primarily on information that is floating in Europe and the Middle East, that an event is imminent and around the corner here in the United States. It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most,” said Mr. Aviv.


Former CIA Director: Terrorist Strike within U.S. Real Threat

The excuse:
Former CIA Director R. James Woolsey tells NewsMax in an exclusive interview that terrorists could strike the American homeland — possibly with a weapon of mass destruction — this summer or early fall.
One of the reasons for the excuse:
He also warns that if Iran fails to comply with international efforts to stop its nuclear weapons program, the U.S. will have no other option than to bomb it.

The History Channel

Examines the various conspiracy theories espoused on the Internet, in articles and in public forums that attempt to explain the 9/11 attacks. It includes theories that the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition; that a missile, not a commercial airliner, hit the Pentagon; and that members of the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks in hopes of creating a war in the Middle East. Each conspiracy argument is countered by a variety of experts in the fields of engineering, intelligence and the military. The program also delves into the anatomy of such conspiracies and how they grow on the Internet.

Aug 20 http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=240087

I encourage all to copy and paste the following and email and it to The “History” Channel. They are doing, what I am sure will be a hatchet job on The Truth Movement, and we need to hold these liars accountable.

Please take a moment to click on the link below, and flood them with this letter (or something of your own) and strike back for The Truth. Let them know that we are watching them and that we aren’t as dumb and stupid as they think we are.

These are the types of acts that let these bastards know we’re not taking their lies, anymore; we will not roll over for them, and we will not let them sell us any “myth” they create and let them dismiss and ridicule The Truth. They have given us garbage about JFK, RFK, JFK JR. the 93 WTC bombing, Oklahoma and on and on…911 is the line in the sand – we will not fall for, nor accept their lies, deceptions or omissions – we’ve been there and done that.

The next 911 is “imminent” – unless we do something about it; thousands of emails to this junk channel would be a step in that direction. Show them we know. Cast doubt in their minds as to whether or not they can get away with it, again.

Send an email and tell The “History” Channel they’re full of – crap.

The “History” Channel – contact:

911 was an inside job!

If your show concludes otherwise, then it will be compiled of nothing but lies and more importantly omissions.

Here are some of my questions:

Will you show Norm Mineta's testimony, before the commission? Will you explain the discrepancy between his testimony and that of Mr. Cheney? Will you explain not only the bizarre conversations that were going on between Mr. Cheney and an aide, but will you also explain the discrepancies in Mr. Mineta’s timeline for the morning and that of the official “story”.

Will you give us an explanation for the collapse of WTC-7; where NIST and the 911 commission could not? Will you explain why the insurance company paid out on WTC-7, if no explanation has been provided for the buildings collapse?

Will you explain to us why the Secret Service failed to do their job(s) that morning in Florida?

Will you explain why NORAD and the rest of America’s air defenses sat on their hands for over two hours and did nothing? And can you explain the numerous war games that were being played out on (by the US Air force) on the FAA’s radar screens, rendering them blind to what was really going on? And why were these games allowed to continue beyond 8:46 A.M.?

Will you explain why there were no jet parts, engines, luggage, and bodies in that field in PA?

Will you explain why 200+ million in gold and silver was found in the tunnels below the Towers complex? Will you tell us who gave the order to move that bouillon, when that order was given and why?

Will you follow the money trail and tell us why the head of Pakistani intelligence wired 100K to Atta, in the summer of 2001? And the airlines, will you tell us who was placing "Put" options on them, with regard to the stock?

Will you explain why Bush Sr. was having breakfast with Bin Laden's brother in downtown DC, on the morning of 911 and why the Bin Laden family was allowed to be flown around and out of the country, when no one else was allowed to fly? Will you explain why they were allowed to leave without being interviewed by the FBI?

And I know one thing for sure; I bet you don't show us a clear picture, let alone multiple camera angles, of a 767 hitting the Pentagon.

I suspect that you will never raise any of these questions; and the issues that I have raised here are but just the tip of the ice berg, in terms of the doubt that revolves around the official “story”.
Trash…CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, FOX, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, and on and on have done a hatchet job on the truth – you’re all a bunch of bought and paid for whores; traitors to God, Truth and Country.

The “History” Channel - what a joke!!! You want to write History with a lie.

Massive ULF ‘Blast’ Detected In US Bridge Collapse Catastrophe
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

Reports from Russia’s Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics located in Irkutsk are reporting today that their Siberian Solar Radio Telescope (SSRT) detected a ‘massive’ ultra low frequency (ULF) ‘blast’ emanating from Latitude: 45° 00' North Longitude: 93° 15' West at the ‘exact’ moment, and location, of a catastrophic collapse of a nearly 2,000 foot long bridge in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
To the horrific destruction of the Interstate 35W Bridge which spanned the Mississippi River we can read as reported by the Star Tribune News Service:
"The 1,907-foot bridge fell into the Mississippi River and onto roadways below. The span was packed with rush hour traffic, and dozens of vehicles fell with the bridge leaving scores of dazed commuters scrambling for their lives.
Nine people were confirmed dead as of 4 a.m. today. Sixty were taken to hospitals and 20 people were still missing this morning. Authorities said they expected the death toll to rise."
Russian Military reports state that the total collapse of such a massive bridge, and in the absence of evidence linking its destruction to terrorist activity, could only have been accomplished by an acoustic weapon, of which the United States Military is known to possess.
These reports further state that one of the United States primary research organizations into acoustic weapons research is Augsburg College, and which is located in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and most importantly less than 1 mile from the Interstate 35W Bridge collapse.
To the exact reason of why, and what exactly happened in this catastrophe we can only speculate, but, with what is known about the United States past history of using sophisticated weapons on their own citizens for ‘research’ purposes it certainly lies in the realm of possibility that this horrific tragedy is rooted in the use of ULF weapons.
To the past usage of these new types of weapons we can read even back into the 1980’s of the United States research into their use as reported by the CNN News Service:
"Imagine the implications of a weapon with no visible trace -- a weapon that could knock out tanks, ships, and planes as fast as the speed of light. The same technology, with modifications, could disorient and even tranquilize military personnel, rendering them virtually helpless in the battle zone. These are the new weapons of war we will examine in this series.
For the past 40 years, the world has been riveted by the threat of nuclear war, and more recently by the prospect of space defenses using lasers and other modern technologies.
Lightning is the most dramatic form of energy to be found in nature. Scientists have succeeded in creating limited types of artificial lightning. And some think that these could be the forerunners of a new type of directed-energy weapon, part of a family of weapons that operate within the radio frequency segment of the electromagnetic spectrum, and are thus referred to as radio frequency weapons."
To the dangers of ULF weapons being used against civilians we can read the warnings of Dr. Rauni Leena Kilde, MD, the former Chief Medical Officer for Lapland (northern Finland), who warned in 1999:
"When the use of electromagnetic fields, extra-low (ELF) and ultra-low (ULF) frequencies and microwaves aimed deliberately at certain individuals, groups, and even the general population to cause diseases, disorientation, chaos and physical and emotional pain breaks into the awareness of the general population, a public outcry is inevitable."
To the exact reason of why the United States would be targeting Minneapolis with such a massive ULF ‘blast’ we can find in the exact neighborhoods that surround the Interstate 35W Bridge, and which are home to one of the largest Muslim populations in the United States, including over 30,000 Somalis who are outraged by the US sponsored invasion of their home Nation by Ethiopian forces.
For the American people as a whole, this catastrophe provides yet another example of the consequences of their allowing their Military Forces to gain total control over their economy and lives, and which history has long shown leads always towards total destruction.


Religion and Politics
or The Whore of Babylon and the Kings of the earth
People say these are the two subjects you are not supposed to talk about;
I have to say I don't think there is much else worth talking about.
The public has been brainwashed on both sides
See this Exposé on Pat Robertson
Looking Behind the Façade
The average person never really bothers to check out who “the man behind the curtain” really is. Just like in the “Wizard of Oz” we are trained to “Pay no attention” to what is behind what we see and are told; but if you do, if you question and seek the truth; the revelation can be quite stunning.


NJcpaTOM said...

I recall reading something about a C-130 pilot who cliams to have fired an electromagnetic weapon which not only created the dent in Shanksville but fried the electric wires for miles. They had to shut the schools down.

Anonymous said...

Interesting article about ULF weapons, but the source is questionable. There is no Sorcha Faal. It is a pseudonym for the webmaster of the site David Booth if you read further down in the comments after the original post.

Anonymous said...

about Sorcha Faal:


Great post with great articles. Nobody can ever say you didn't try to inform people. Keep up the good work. Maybe some will now see the urgency of the situation that is being thrust upon us.

faithful forever

Anonymous said...

And anonymous, please note who it is that wrote this article which is also very informative:

Bush Outlaws All War Protest In United States
By Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

In one of his most chilling moves to date against his own citizens, the American War Leader has issued a sweeping order this week outlawing all forms of protest against the Iraq war.

President Bush enacted into US law an 'Executive Order' on July 17th titled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq", and which says:

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004."

According to Russian legal experts, the greatest concern to the American people are the underlying provisions of this new law, and which, they state, are written 'so broadly' as to outlaw all forms of protest against the war. These provisions state:

"(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.

(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.

All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken."

faithful forever

Anonymous said...

Read this and see if it clarifies things.


Anonymous said...

Rosie O’ Donnell making such a claim on a major network is a national disgrace. The fact that much of the audience cheered and applauded is nothing less than a national catastrophe.

To her, and to her audience, it is taken as granted that the government is capable of such things. As if “the government” was operated by cyborgs grown in Haliburton vats, rather than by well-meaning and patriotic people that love this country.

...what kind of moral universe do you have to inhabit to be able to believe that your own people – airline personnel, demolition experts, police and security forces, faked witnesses and all the rest – are capable of such a thing? How much hate for your own society do you have to carry in order to live in such a desolate and ridiculous mental hell? What psychoses must a mind be riddled with in order to negate what was perfectly obvious and instead believe a theory of such monumental fantasy? How much pure constant hatred does that take?

What, in short, is the miserable black hole of self-loathing

Anonymous said...

...."a theory of such monumental fantasy? How much pure constant hatred does that take?" You should be asking how much pure constant hatred it took for the people in our government who did that must have for everyone, including you and people like you that trust that they are honest.

Have you ever heard of WTC7? I doubt it because you do not care to educate yourself; it is much easier to be fed what they want you to swallow. I have preferred to feed myself since I have grown up - I have set aside my childish ways. You should try it.

WHY do you suppose so many people are questioning the official story of 911? Because these people hate the US? Come on, that is not even logical. It is because there is no way it happened the way they tell us it happened. WHY do you suppose that is?

I hope you take your carefully placed blinders off before it is too late, for your sake.

faithful forever

What is perfectly obvious to you?

Anonymous said...

It always amazes me how when these shills attack the 911 truthers, they never back it up with any evidence of their reasons for believing the government lies. All they can or seem to want to do is attack the messengers, like we are any less American then they are. How sad will it be for them on that day of Judgment.

Anonymous said...

The only three possible reasons for people believing 911 conspiracy.

1) America/Bush haters with the purpose of diminishing the USA. Truly despicable loathsome maggots.

2) The truly psychotic.

3)Sheeple imbeciles susceptible to the delusions of the above two groups of truthers.

Anonymous said...

To "faithful forever"

Why bother expending my breath trying to convince people who refuse to acknowledge basic physical facts.

The facts have been on display in the PM articles/books and augmented by the History Channel. If you truly believe the 911 conspiracy at this point in time, you have mental issues that need to be addressed by medical professionals.

Anonymous said...

"Basic physical facts"? Oh you mean like how a 110 story building collapsed in less then 10 seconds? Or how NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY AND NEVER SINCE has a steal framed building ever come down as a result of fire. Or how about Larry Silverstein saying on PBS for the whole world to hear, speaking about WTC7, gave the order to "Pull It" then latter realizing he slipped up went back and said he was talking about the firemen. One problem with that, he said "Pull IT" not "pull them" no one refers to people as "it".
If you think that PM was a debunking of the truth about 911 then you are the one that needs mental help. You are the one with an IQ the size of a raisin. You nor Popular Mechanics (a Hurst publication which also owns about 35% of the History Channel) Nor the History Channel has even done a "c" grade job of debunking. They merely employed the same tactics that you have displayed on here and that is to attack the messenger. To try to discredit the people involved without even touching the real questions we have raised. If their Hack job was good enough for you , you have shown those of us who have done our homework just what a mental giant you are.
You will see who is telling the truth. We will not be deceived.

Anonymous said...

So every single question you posed above was addressed in detail in the PM book (and to a less detailed extent in the HC show due to time limitations). But yet you just discard all the answers and ask the same questions again. When you and your cohorts refuse to acknowledge the answers then it's clear that you fall into one of the 3 buckets that I explained above. You may not like that answer but thats the ugly truth.

If you REALLY don't acknowledge or understand the answers then I guess that maybe eliminates the America hating bucket. That leaves the psychotic and imbecile buckets.

If you make under $35K/year, work for the government, or an "artist", then you probably are in the imbecile bucket. Sorry to be so blunt.

If you make over 35K$ or in some kind of semi-skilled or professional occupation then you are probably psychotic. Please seek medical assistance.

Anonymous said...

Addressing and answering are not the same. If you are so convinced, then why don't you explain just those few simple questions asked above. Again you will I am sure resort to insults, because you have nothing else.

Anonymous said...

What a pathetic argument from a pathetic, shallow person who thinks a person's worth is based on how much money they make or don't make? This is so illogical I have not stopped laughing yet. What utter and complete nonsense. No wonder you are blinded. I am amazed at the depths that greed and stupidity will take you...this has to be a new record.

faithful forever

Anonymous said...

It would not surprise me if you believe the new official story of why the Minneapolis bridge fell: pigeon dung.

Seems the dung was SO incredibly acidic, it wiped the whole bridge out. Who would have ever thought this could happen? A whole bridge; that must have been some really strong stuff those pigeons were putting out, huh?

I have some sailboat fuel that I will let you have for a bargain price, or maybe you are more interested in some land in the everglades...

Pigeon poop taking the whole bridge down is akin to fire taking down the three WTCs.

Get a clue before it is too late. Global warming is made up also, right?

Create your own reality now at your own expense later. Your choice. I can deal with reality here and now. I am not a millionaire as I should be from your perspective, but I am richer than you will ever be able to understand.

faithful forever

Anonymous said...

"Addressing and answering are not the same."

It's not my job to school the mentally challenged. It's apparent that you do not have the mental capacity to understand the high-school level answers provided in the PM book. Your bucket has been determined .... Imbecile.

Anonymous said...

"What a pathetic argument from a pathetic, shallow person who thinks a person's worth is based on how much money they make or don't make?"

Your misunderstanding of what I wrote confirms my beliefs.

"This is so illogical I have not stopped laughing yet."

A Troofer talking about logic....Now that's a good one! Bwahahahah

Anonymous said...

So enlighten me. I would also like to learn of this riduculous term 'troofer' if you can explain that. key word 'if'.

Do you people that create your own reality also create your own words now?

You probably should have your beliefs confirmed by something since it is not the truth.

faithful forever

PursuingTruth said...

Since you don't know how to engage in intelligent discourse, everything else you say will be deleted. I will leave up what you have already written as it very well displays your true nature. You claim to love America, but unfortunately you just don't love Americans.
We have no problem with exploring the real questions raised on this subject, but all you know how to do is attack the messenger and mock and call names. If you had the truth you would have no problem trying to point out the error of our ways as we have done by displaying not only the evidence but the motive. You on the other hand don't even know what PM has to say on the questions I raised. You just want to hide behind mama PM's apron and yell "go away mean bad people, you are upsetting my version of reality". If what you have is the truth, it will stand, if it is a lie, it will crumble just like the twin towers. You will see soon enough, and may have all eternity to pay for your arrogance.
FF; "Troofer" is the way people his age say the word "truther"

Anonymous said...

That explains it! Thanks for the much-needed chuckle...

faithful forever

Anonymous said...

So predictable. Link to the Pop Mechanics site and it gets stripped immediately. Troofers afraid of the truth. Well here's the link again.


And the book.


PursuingTruth said...

no one is afraid of honestly exploring the evidence. People are welcome to see any supposed debunking site, We just will not tolerate mocking of the the people that have done there homework.

Anonymous said...

I went to the Popular Mechanics site as I had never seen it before, but I had heard their interviews and found the site, as the interviews to be lacking in addressing critical issues such as WTC7.

The authority of car mechanics on such a subject as the world trade centers destruction has always seemed questionable and disconnected in the first place, but if they support your stance, I suppose any port in the storm would suffice.

The comment sections were of particular interest to me - the majority disputed the untruths posed by the site.

It is also revealing that more people want an independent investigation into the destruction of the trade centers than ever before. How long did it take the German people to realize and accept the truth that Hitler was responsible for the Reichstag fire? How convenient for the rulers that most people choose to be followers void of independent thinking. The mere fact that the administration would only answers questions if they were not placed under oath shows they had something to hide; this is only logical. If you have nothing to hide, why not be forthcoming?? Think about it. They only testified under duress and even that was done reluctantly.

faithful forever

Anonymous said...

Great site for those who want the real truth:


faithful forever

Anonymous said...

Hmmmm.... i thought that was a pretty tame post. Let me try to make it "nicer". Or maybe it's the facts that bother the editor.

"The authority of car mechanics on such a subject..."

Uhhh...no... not that type of mechanics.

Mechanics... Noun....the branch of physics that deals with the action of forces on bodies and with motion, comprised of kinetics, statics, and kinematics.

And PM has been financially successful in the the discussion and study of mechanics and structures for ....oh....literally....for about 100 YEARS.

"found the site,.... lacking in addressing critical issues such as WTC7"

Technical rebuttal... The building spanned an area in the center that they couldn't use a standard foundation base that spread weight equally over the whole base. Instead all of the bldg weight was directed essentially to corners and ends. The collapsing towers gouged out a corner and thus a critical support structure. The building caught fire and was fed by multiple fuel tanks within the building. The damaged corner and weakened steel caused collapse.

Conspiracy based rebuttal = After bringing down two 110 story WTC towers why would Bushitler also take down a measly adjoining 50 story adjacent building? Wouldn't the two 110 story buildings be shocking enough? Why complicate the "Black Ops" by wiring up yet another building?

"The comment sections were of particular interest to me - the majority disputed the untruths posed by the site"

Writing illogical comments does not make them true or accurate.
Thousands of people commenting that 2+2=5 does not make it fact.

"It is also revealing that more people want an independent investigation"

The PRIMARY purpose of another investigation is to have some big MEDIA CIRCUS that tries to make the U.S./Bushitler look bad internationally. (i.e. the main goal of 911 conspiracists is to diminish and degrade the U.S. and/or the administration)

"that most people choose to be followers void of independent thinking."

Ask yourself.... Are YOU thinking independently about this 911 conspiracy or following a herd mentality of certain groups with an AGENDA? In other words, are you the sheep or am I?

Hey, here's an opportunity to think independently. What's the possible agendas that I have versus all the possible agendas of the 911 conspiracy groups? Do you think all the groups pushing 911 conspiracy are innocently "seeking the truth?" The list of alternate agenda's by the conspiracy crowd is at least 50 lines long. And these are BIG agendas that have nothing to do with the "truth". The list can start chronologically with ANTISEMITISM due to the fact that the WTC buildings were still smoking when the 1st conspiracy lie was propagated about Jews being told to not come to work on 9-11 and that the "Joooos did it"

Why don't you think independently and give me 2 lists of possible agendas for me and also the conspiracy groups. Then we'll compare the relative merits of each list.

"faithful forever" why don't you have faith in your fellow Americans to at least the degree that you don't accuse THOUSANDS of Americans of conspiring and executing the worst mass murder in our country?

I'm sure George Soros would pay 1 BILLION DOLLARS to the first person who steps forward and gives evidence that they were an operative of the multi-thousand person team to execute 911. However 6 years later NOT A SINGLE person claims to be part of the conspiracy team. How can that be? How can that be?

Think about that INDEPENDENTLY for good long time. Tell me how not a single person has stepped forward to gather the ENDLESS FAME AND MONEY from disclosing the real story. It's just patently inconceivable that you could contain this conspiracy.

Finally, there is no such thing as a secret in Washington. Even the smallest of actions in a back room of the White House becomes public knowledge. Ask Bill Clinton about that.

Living Positive said...

to the anonymous poster trying to debunk the 9/11 Truth Movement:

Why must people behave as if they are on the playground and act as if shouting louder makes them right?

What sort of independent thinker says "I saw it in a magazine" or "I saw it on TV" without investigating who owns that media outlet or who stands to gain from the media event, before declaring that outlet as a disinterested source?

"quotes" and responses:

"Uhhh...no... not that type of mechanics.

Mechanics... Noun....the branch of physics that deals with the action of forces on bodies and with motion, comprised of kinetics, statics, and kinematics.

And PM has been financially successful in the the discussion and study of mechanics and structures for ....oh....literally....for about 100 YEARS."

Except that the current staff at PM is actually new. When it was bought up, the old editorial staff that insisted on editorial integrity were forced out of their jobs and replaced by those who would do the bidding of the owner regardless of what that meant for their journalistic objectivity.

"Technical rebuttal... The building spanned an area ... The damaged corner and weakened steel caused collapse."

Interesting how this theory suddenly showed up after the WTC7 issue came to light.
FEMA and the other official investigations still state that they don't know how WTC7 collapsed, and yet PM is completely sold on the "atrium" theory - still unproven.

"Conspiracy based rebuttal = After bringing down two 110 story WTC towers why would Bushitler also take down a measly adjoining 50 story adjacent building? Wouldn't the two 110 story buildings be shocking enough? Why complicate the "Black Ops" by wiring up yet another building?"

Pretty simple - in the least, WTC7 housed the bunker from which the whole thing was orchestrated on that day (just a theory) - at the most, papers, records and files were housed there including ongoing investigations into Enron and others by the SEC, as well as other governmental agencies.

"Writing illogical comments does not make them true or accurate.
Thousands of people commenting that 2+2=5 does not make it fact."

- And making the assertion that someone is making the "2+2=5" statement, doesn't make the assertion true, either. -

I guess among the real list of "2+2=5" statements would be how 110 story buildings collapsing in 10 seconds when, if the PM pancake theory is correct, it should have taken approximately 3 minutes - and the core of the building should have been left standing. The Pentagon is a perfect example of pancaking - the structural integrity of the building failed - if you watch that video, you can see how long it should have taken and what a collapse looks like. It is S-L-O-W and you don't get plumes of dust.

"The PRIMARY purpose of another investigation is to have some big MEDIA CIRCUS that tries to make the U.S./Bushitler look bad internationally. (i.e. the main goal of 911 conspiracists is to diminish and degrade the U.S. and/or the administration)"

No. The "U.S/Bushitler" administration (your words, not mine) already looks bad internationally and this administration doesn't need any help in that department. You and most who believe in blind patriotism just insist on ignoring that fact.

Stating that we are "Making" someone look bad assumes that they are good.

The purpose of an independent investigation should be to reveal the facts, not "make" anyone look bad - or good for that matter.

Saying that we are making someone "look bad" is just school yard talk for "I did it, I know I did it, but I don't want you to investigate it, because then you'll KNOW (vs suspect) I did it and that will 'make me look bad'"

- I love the "You must hate America" tactic - it doesn't require much effort and the accused gets slandered before s/he even gets the chance to keep on subject, much less defend the charge. It is a tactic to change the subject, discredit the accused and put someone on the defensive. I refuse to fall for it.

"Ask yourself.... Are YOU thinking independently about this 911 conspiracy or following a herd mentality of certain groups with an AGENDA? In other words, are you the sheep or am I? "

That's a great question - but who has an easier time of "following the herd"? Someone who gets fed a story day in and day out - a story without any actual investigation or proof of the allegations and yet insists on saying that their story is true? How difficult is it to call someone names or to tell them to shut up - there's no work involved there. There hasn't been any real investigation into this whole event and yet we are told to buy it.

Independent thinking requires a lot from an individual: in the least s/he must do the research themselves, ask the hard questions - the real questions.

They must look at the theories and allegations of the official story and ask if the current hard evidence supports that theory? Then they have to really start thinking critically of the evidence doesn't support the theory, official or not.

If I were accused of a criminal act and my story didn't check out, would the press say "well, that's just the way things are and just because his story doesn't check out, well that doesn't mean he's guilty...." Would they say that???? Hell no! My scrawny white middle-class ass would be sitting in a cell and the cops would be tearing my place apart looking for something to incriminate me.

What's happened here in the case of 9/11? Not only does the story not check out on so many levels, but first the President and Vice-president say that there will be NO investigation, but when there is an investigation, the people who should BE investigated ARE CONDUCTING THE INVESTIGATION!

And you wonder why we are wondering what the real story is?

If the story were true why would we be lied to and misled into a second war? Wouldn't the truth be enough?

"Hey, here's an opportunity to think independently. What's the possible agendas that I have versus all the possible agendas of the 911 conspiracy groups? Do you think all the groups pushing 911 conspiracy are innocently "seeking the truth?" "

Do you think that by repeating what you've been told without asking critical questions is independent thinking? If so, indepenent of what?

Do I think that all of the 911 truth groups are "seeking the truth"? probably not.

What do I think the real problem is?

- Well I can say I don't know the truth - none of us does.

- We can say that we know what didn't happen by looking at the remaining evidence.

- I can say that when an administration stonewalls the investigation of the most horrendous event in our history and insists that there will not be an investigation - I have to think independently and wonder why he doesn't want to do that.

Why would any world leader in their right mind tell his country that he will not investigate 9/11 when we were screaming for it?

Why do we have to settle for what PM says happened on 9/11 when even our own governmental agencies and the UL (who certified the steel) and the Firefighter's Union - even the building's own architects can't say what happened?

What's wrong with a society that has to rely on a publicly owned publication for a "scientific" account of how all of this happened? That is something that the government is responsible for and actually has yet to do anything about - unless PM is a state-owned publication....

BTW conspiracy means that two or more people conspired to commit a crime - conspiracy theorist means "someone who theorizes that a conspiracy took place" it does not mean "crazy person" or "madman".

In fact, the official 9/11 account is a conspiracy theory with less evidence to support it than much of the 9/11 Truth movements theories.

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PursuingTruth said...

To the anonymous that I have just deleted. Enough of your condescension, and your stupid questions. You are not really looking for answers. Did you know that over four hundred thousand (400,000) were involved with the Manhattan Project and not a word leaked out. The trick is you compartmentalize. Very few know the whole picture.Others were just eliminated. If you were told your whole family would be gone, you might just keep your mouth shut. Now if you were really interested in the truth, I'll bet you could figure out several reasons why more have not come forth. (I said more because John O'Neil obviously knew something was about to happen and wanted to stop it. "The History Channel" even did a story about "The man who Knew about 911" they made it sound like he had a premonition. But they fail to tell you he was a high official in the FBI http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/. He had been compartmentalized. he didn't understand what was going to happen till it was happening. and they killed him in the WTC.) If you pride your self on independent thinking, then do some research. You will find more than you can handle. Do you really think the Government can't keep secrets from a willingly deceived public? Have you not ever read your history books? I'll bet you don't even know what HAARP is. Go back to sleep, you are done here.

Anonymous said...

Can you say 'corporate media' or is that too big of a word for you?

The truth hurts - nobody here hates Republicans.

Anonymous said...

Are you seriously suggesting that there isn't a single media outlet in the ENTIRE WORLD that wouldn't disclose the LARGEST CONSPIRACY IN HISTORY?

Iran's media would take a pass. Chavez's media stooges would take a pass. The Havana Daily would take a pass. The French papers would take a pass. Riiiight.

So which of these are MORE logical...
1) All worldwide media passing on the biggest story ever
2) Nothing is published because there is nobody with evidence because there was no conspiracy

I won't even discuss the obvious that anybody can publish anything to the blogosphere for free.

Anonymous said...

Can you say 'corporate media' or is that too big of a word for you?

Uh.... 'corporate media' has TWO words.

The truth hurts - nobody here hates Republicans.

So besides a 911 conspiricist believer you're also a mind reader?

Anonymous said...

I stand corrected, anonymous. Technically it is two words, but the saying is just that - a saying.

You are also a mind reader by assuming that 911 conspirists hate republicans; just following your lead - but without the spitefulness.

Who and where would the money come from??

Who paid the 'conspiricists' for proving the magic bullet nonsense was nonsense? Who paid for people realizing Hitler staged the fire? Where are you coming from?

From one mind reader to another, let's agree to disagree. There is NOTHING that will ever change my mind about what my own eyes see, regardless of what they say - buildings falling at free fall speeds of professionally demolitioned buildings, and you will always want to believe their lies. How convenient for the leaders that lie that people choose to believe them. Your choice, but it is not mine.

I do not hate Republicans.

Note of caution: Creating your own reality may be hazardous to your health.

faithful forever

Anonymous said...


The whole truth:


faithful forever

PursuingTruth said...

The details of what happened on 911 no one in the truth movement really knows, which is why we want a real investigation. What we do know is what didn't happen. We know that the fires and planes did not bring down The World Trade Center. But we have a troll on here that wants to mock and say things like nobody heard any explosions. He has obviously not been paying attention to almost every eye witness. No matter how many times the media keeps trying to reinforce the lies, 2 + 2 will never = 5. He seems to be full of bitterness and hate. He is also willing to lie and twist the facts. He even put up a false statistic from the new Zogby poll. So that makes him willing to lie, and cheat, which would also make him capable of steeling. Jesus said such were of their father the devil.
I am so sorry if you think we are not allowing the other side to be heard, when your side has complete control of the media. If you want "Fair and Balanced" try Fox Noise. We are about spreading the truth, a word you seem to have a hard time saying.
Troll if you think it is worth your effort to keep wasting your time to put stuff up for the few hours before I see it, have at it. If you become too bothersome, I will just put the blog on monitor. Be gone and continue to make your wife miserable if you even have one.

PursuingTruth said...

Apparently the troll wants everyone to know that only 4.6% of the public in the Zogby poll believes the MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose) understanding. That is unfortunate, and shows us how much more work we have ahead of us. He seems to think that truth is true because it is popular.
Of course the alternative "Conspiracy Theory" has never ever been seen by the masses, nor has it ever played on Main Stream Media. Anyone that even mentions it is attacked and threatened.
He also forgets to mention that over 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment. 67% also fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7

Anonymous said...

Good article from an independent, unbiased EXPERT:


faithful forever

Anonymous said...

more truth; more good reading material for those that can face the truth with courage from our Wonderful Lord and Savior.

An interesting thought came to be recently after that troll labeled people according to their income, that Jesus' words are yet being fulfilled in that it is the meek that will inherit the world. What they are trying to protect with lies will be lost to them forever.


faithful forever

Anonymous said...

To the victims of 9/11 we remember you.

To the perpetrators of 9/11, we will get you.

To those that use 9/11 to lie and make money and fame, we will oppose you.

Anonymous said...

your thought aer perverted and you suck as an American and Human!