Tuesday, September 12, 2006

The Truth Can Not be Stopped

Sharing the truth on Sept 11 5th anniversary.

Coverage in the Raleigh News and Observer of the movement here in the Triangle http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/484317.html

Alex Jones picked up the story

Things are heating up and those that "Hate our Freedoms" are increasing their efforts to silence us.

We are not going away!!!
This week end Sept. 16-17th all day We will be at the CenterFest on the streets of downtown Durham
http://centerfest.durhamarts.org/ Look for us booth C-10 and come be a part and share the truth.

We will follow up the weekend with a film presentation and discussion
Sept 20. Durham Public Library
downtown 300 North Roxboro Rd Durham.
6:30pm -meet and greet
7:00pm -- 9:00pm film and questions and answers.
Please spreed this news. Bring those you know that are curious.

Get a locally designed Tee shirt here>http://snakeandsnake.com/911t-shirt.htm

Members and movement attacked from several directionsMadison, WI (PRWEB) September 9, 2006 --- Three professors who are members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth have been threatened with the loss of their positions for their research and teaching about the events of 9/11. Other attacks are coming from national magazines, such as TIME and U.S. NEWS, which have cover-stories this week suggesting that those who believe 9/11 involved a conspiracy may need psychological counseling. In addition, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics have published pieces intended to bolster the official account of 9/11.“This flurry of activity suggests that the government is becoming desperate in its efforts to keep the truth about 9/11 from the American people,” said James H. Fetzer, the founder and co-chair of the society. “But I don’t think it’s working.” Fetzer finds attacks on faculty members, including Kevin Barrett, a humanities instructor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Bill Woodward, a professor of psychology at the University of New Hampshire, and Steven Jones, a physics professor at Brigham Young University and the society’s co-chair, especially disturbing.“According to the government, 9/11 is ‘the pivotal event of the 21st century,’ which changed everything”, he observed. “So it obviously deserves to be studied. College and universities are the institutions that undertake the study of significant historical events. The very idea that faculty should not be studying the events of 9/11 verges on the absurd,” he remarked. “And since the official account-that the events of 9/11 involved 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial airliners and perpetrating terrorist acts under control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan-involves a conspiracy, it is impossible to study 9/11 without dealing with conspiracy theories.”Fetzer thinks the administration wants to suppress serious research on 9/11 because the official account cannot withstand scrutiny. “What the government has told us is just fine if you are willing to believe impossible things,” he observed. “Its truth requires violating laws of physics and engineering that cannot be violated and cannot be changed.” He offered a recent piece from NIST that attempts to resolve “frequently asked questions” as an illustration. “We have posted it on our web site at st911.org along with several critiques. I invite anyone to review that exchange to determine if the official account has any basis in science. It does not.” An article from Popular Mechanics that has been turned into a book doesn’t fare any better, he observed. Since there is no objective foundation for the official account, there is no ground to suggest that skeptics of the official account need psychological counseling. “Rationality is the tendency to accept, reject, and hold-in-suspense beliefs on the basis of logic and evidence,’” Fetzer stated. “Given what we know now, those who continue to defend the government’s account are the ones whose beliefs cannot be justified by logic and evidence, not the critics. The situation abounds with ironies.” “Sometimes I wonder if the general public realizes the government has been lying to us about 9/11 from the beginning.” He cites the recent acknowledgment from the FBI that it has “no hard evidence” connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 and the President’s response during a press conference that Saddam Hussein had “nothing” to do with 9/11. Only this week a Senate Intelligence Committee report explained that Saddam not only was not collaborating with bin Laden but opposed him. “These were reasons we were given for going to war,” he said. “If the government has been lying about them, we already know the government has been lying about 9/11.”Scholars, a non-partisan society of students, faculty and experts dedicated to exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11, includes physicists, mechanical engineers, civil engineers, pilots, and aeronautical engineers among its members. “We have no funds and no budget but are doing this because we believe the American people are entitled to know the truth about their own history. Even I find it difficult to believe that the American government could have attacked the American people and killed 3,000 civilians to promote its political agenda, but that is where the evidence leads.”

CBS NEWS on line says "'Crackpots' Cloud Events Of 9/11"
As "more than a third (36 percent) of the American public believes it is likely that the Bush administration either perpetrated the 9/11 attacks or deliberately failed to stop them"
Instead of actually showing where the 911 Truth movement is wrong, they just attack, and put up a weak "debunking" by Popular Mechanics. They hope that by belittling those that would ask questions , their "credibility" will cause people not to check out the facts.

How do they explain this? Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7

MSNBC story --- 9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply
Many Americans suspect U.S. government involvement or complicity

See you at CenterFest


BLKNIGHT18 said...


Interrogating 9/11

by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed

Five Years On, Being a Sceptic Doesn’t Automatically Mean You’re A Lunatic… Although It Might Do

Five years after the terrorist attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania that shook the world, scepticism about the Bush administration account of what happened, as well as of the “War on Terror” in general, has increased exponentially. This has accompanied the emergence of all kinds of pet theories about what happened, some of them truly bizarre, others intriguing but vacuous, and perhaps a few based on compelling facts.

For someone not familiar with these theories, it’s difficult to know where, and why, to start. And particular variants of 9/11 “truth”, such as the “no planes” theory that the whole event was merely an audiovisual technicolor chimera concocted on our TV screens, don’t help.

But is it all just a pile of lunacy? If only it was, I could sleep much better at night. Unfortunately, beneath the mountain of theories and speculations, there remain disturbing and persistent anomalies that have yet to be resolved. In this respect, the mainstream media’s approach to criticism of the 9/11 official narrative has been wanting in the extreme, focusing largely on bizarre pet theories and fringe speculations, suggesting that anybody who has doubts about the official story must be delusional, dumb, or both.

If only life were so simple. Five years after 9/11, the official narrative is riddled with inconsistencies that every official investigative process has been at great pains to ignore. For those familiar with the oddities and absurdities of the 7/7 official narrative here in the UK, this should not come as a great surprise. But it does indicate that the Western government narrative of international terrorism is profoundly flawed.

Among those sceptical of the government’s account of the 9/11 attacks, for instance, are the bereaved families of the 9/11 victims. “We hoped that our thousands of unanswered questions would be addressed and answered” said Lauri van Auken, whose husband Kenneth died in the attacks, in her opening address at an all-day Congressional hearing on 22nd July 2005 sponsored by Hon. Rep. Cynthia McKinney and Hon. Rep. Raul Grijalva, where I had the honour of testifying alongside a host of former intelligence officials, scholars and journalists. “Yet, incredibly, we have found that the Commission’s definitive final report has actually yielded more questions than answers,” continued van Auken on behalf of the 9/11 Families Steering Committee. She indicted the 9/11 Commission Report as just “some statements that truly insulted the intelligence of the American people, violated our loved ones’ memories, and might end up hurting us one day soon.”

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Theory that U.S. orchestrated Sept. 11 attacks 'not absurd': Venezuela

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - President Hugo Chavez said Tuesday that it's at least plausible that the U.S. government was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Chavez did not specifically accuse the U.S. government of having a hand in the Sept. 11 attacks, but rather suggested that theories of U.S. involvement bear examination.

The Venezuelan leader, an outspoken critic of U.S. President George W. Bush, was reacting to a television report investigating a theory that the Twin Towers were brought down with explosives after hijacked airplanes crashed into them in 2001.

"The hypothesis is not absurd . . . that those towers could have been dynamited," Chavez said in a speech to supporters. "A building never collapses like that, unless it's with an implosion."

"The hypothesis that is gaining strength . . . is that it was the same U.S. imperial power that planned and carried out this terrible terrorist attack or act against its own people and against citizens of all over the world," Chavez said.

"Why? To justify the aggressions that immediately were unleashed on Afghanistan, on Iraq."

Chavez has said the U.S. launched those wars to ensure its political and economic power.

The U.S. government says al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden masterminded the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"A plane supposedly crashed into the Pentagon, but no one ever found a single remnant of that plane," Chavez said, citing a television program he had seen on Venezuela's state television.

Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro raised the same theories in an earlier speech Tuesday, and called for an independent investigation.

"It's really worrisome to think that all of that could have been a great conspiracy against humanity," Maduro said. "An independent international investigation must be carried out one day to discover the truth about the events of Sept. 11."

BLKNIGHT18 said...


9/11 Press for Truth

The Story

“We felt the country was at risk from terrorists and from incompetence…and maybe worse.” —Lorie Van Auken, September 11th Widow

Following the attacks of September 11th, a small group of grieving families waged a tenacious battle against those who sought to bury the truth about the event—including, to their amazement, President Bush. In ‘9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH’, six of them, including three of the famous “Jersey Girls”, tell for the first time the powerful story of how they took on the greatest powers in Washington—and won!—compelling an investigation, only to subsequently watch the 9/11 Commission fail in answering most of their questions.

Adapting Paul Thompson’s definitive Complete 9/11 Timeline (published by HarperCollins as ‘The Terror Timeline’), the filmmakers collaborate with documentary veterans Globalvision (‘WMD: Weapons of Mass Deception’, ‘Beyond JFK’) to stitch together rare overlooked news clips, buried stories, and government press conferences, revealing a pattern of official lies, deception and spin. As a result, a very different picture of 9/11 emerges, one that raises new and more pressing questions.

What actions were taken by top government officials who received dozens of specific warnings before the attack? Was Osama Bin Laden and his top al Qaeda leadership allowed to escape U.S. forces in Afghanistan? And what has been the reason for the deliberate obscuring of evidence for state sponsorship? Perhaps the most important one of all: Why, five years later, are so many of the families’ questions still unanswered?

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Is American Democracy Too Feeble To Deal With 9/11?

By Paul Craig Roberts, asst. Sec of the Treasury under Reagan, VDare.com, 9/11/06

Alexander Hamilton is often portrayed as an early advocate of strong central government. But even Hamilton understood the danger from government. In the Federalist Papers he wrote:

"Safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to its dictates. The violent destruction of life and property incident to war, the continual effort and alarm attendant on a state of continual danger, will compel nations the most attached to liberty to resort for repose and security to institutions which have a tendency to destroy their civil and political rights. To be more safe, they at length become willing to run the risk of being less free."

I would be more confident of the survival of democracy and civil liberty in the United States if, on this fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, a majority of Americans were reading David Ray Griffin’s challenging new book, Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11.

It is an inexpensive book and available quickly from online booksellers. A person only needs to read the first 56 pages to realize that the official account of the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings has many problems and that defenders of the official account have no hard evidence upon which to stand. [...]

Daniel Foster said...

Great job guys, I wish I could have been there!
I put ya'll in my latest blog and also linked your blog in my "9/11 Truth" section.
-Daniel Foster

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Video: C-SPAN "9/11 Press for Truth" press conference.

National Press Club

VIDEO - Campaign for a New 9/11 Investigation

As reported earlier, The National Press Club and 9/11 Press for Truth hosted an event today (9/11/2006) that featured Kyle Hence of 9/11 Citizens Watch, Paul Thomspon, author of “The Terror Timeline” which is partial basis of the 9/11 Press for Truth movie, along with 4 family members of 9/11 Victims. Here is the video of that event.

(The video is about an hour long, the statements by the 9/11 victim's relatives are very powerful. Donna Marsh O'Connor, Christina Kminek and Michelle Little explain why a new investigation is needed.)



BLKNIGHT18 said...

Where is the evidence?
By Paul Craig Roberts
09/14/06 "Information Clearing House"

Readers are asking me to adjudicate the September 11 debate sponsored by “Democracy Now!” between “Loose Change” producers Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, and Popular Mechanics editors James Meigs and David Dunbar, who have just published a Popular Mechanics book, “Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts.”

This is not my role. First of all, I am not an expert on 9/11. Second, I didn’t see the debate. Third, I don’t think it matters who won the debate.

I have read the transcript of the debate, but written words do not convey the same impression as a visual presentation. As many, if not most, people who have been on debate teams will tell you, debates are not always won by who has the best facts and analysis. How one handles oneself, one’s demeanor, how one approaches the audience, and the audience’s predisposition can have more to do with the outcome of a debate than facts.

My opinion of “Loose Change” and Popular Mechanics is independent of who won the debate. The “Loose Change” producers are more to be admired than the Popular Mechanics editors for the simple reason that the former are committed to opening a debate and the latter are committed to closing debate down. Indeed, Popular Mechanics was early on the scene trying to close off debate by defending the government line. Why?

If I had been in the debate, I would have asked Meigs and Dunbar what’s conspiratorial about a thorough hearing and examination of an event that has been used to justify illegal invasions that are war crimes and have destroyed two countries and killed tens of thousands of people.

The Popular Mechanics editors are convinced that any explanation other than the government’s explanation is a conspiracy theory. However, the title of their new book applies equally to their view, as there is no more fantastic conspiracy theory than the view championed by the Popular Mechanics editors. How, for example, can it be possible that on one short morning of September 11, 2001, multiple failures occurred not only in airport security but also in FAA and NORAD procedures? The probability of any one of these failures is low. The probability of all of these failures occurring on one morning is very low indeed. How is it possible that essentially all US security failures of the last 5 or 10 years occurred on one morning? What probability do independent statisticians assign to such an event?

The probability is also extremely low that the only three steel columned buildings believed to have collapsed from fire all failed on the same day from three separate fires. [...]

Anonymous said...

"I would have asked Meigs and Dunbar what’s conspiratorial about a thorough hearing and examination of an event"

Because your intent is to hurt the U.S. and it's standing in the world. 911Truth has no issues that have not been soundly demolished by the logic and science of Popular Mechanics. Groups like you will NEVER accept the facts and science and it's proven already by your ignoring of the PM book. Your goal is to have national hearings so that the hostile foreign media can show it on European and ME TV with the visuals alluding that the U.S. government was behind 9/11. The trouncing of the conspiracy in a re-examination will mean nothing compared to the VISUALS of the debate. You know that your conspiracy side will twist the scenes into anti-american hatred. The visuals will just be more material to spin some more lies.

"can it be possible that on one short morning of September 11, 2001, multiple failures occurred"

Duuuhhhhh...............That's why it's caused a SURPRISE ATTACK.

"this is not my role. First of all, I am not an expert on 9/11"

But of coarse that doesn't stop you from accusing our government of killing thousands of our fellow citizens in cold blood.

Have you read the PM book? What parts of their science and logic do you disagree with? If nothing relevent, then why don't you close shop now?

BLKNIGHT18 said...

anonymous, it wasn't really a surprise attack, there were warnings coming from at least 6 other nations, and there was the PDB from Aug 6. The person you are speaking back to that you slander as anti-American is actually a former White House official.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

As far as the Popular Mechanics book, I suggest you listen to this appearance on Charles Goyette's show:


or listen to or read the debate on Democracy Now with the editors of Popular Mechanics:


Or read this reply:


BLKNIGHT18 said...

The 9/11 Commission Report

One Year Later
A Citizen's Response:
Did the Commission Get It Right?


BLKNIGHT18 said...

Protecting the 9-11 Patsies: Order W199I-WF-213589


The following is a collection of links related to W199I; a presidential directive forcing the FBI to "back off" the
bin Laden family in pre-911 terrorism investigations.


US agents told to "back off" Bin Ladens (ANANOVA)

Bush Thwarted FBI probe against Bin Ladens (AFP)

FBI told to "back off" investigating Bin Laden family before the attacks on Sept. 11th: BBC Newsnight Video

Has someone been sitting on the FBI? BBC Newsnight transcript

Bush took FBI Agents off bin Laden family trail (TIMES OF INDIA)

FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated (LONDON GUARDIAN)

FBI 'was told to back off bin Laden family' (SYDNEY MORNING HERALD)

Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle on 9-11

FBI agent: I was stymied in terror probe

Whistleblower Complains of FBI Obstruction

Judicial Watch press conference featuring special FBI agent Robert Wright - impeded from terrorist investigations

Scandal Inside the FBI: Did G-Men Miss the Boat on 9-11?



FBI Lawyer Tells of Terror 'Roadblock'

Minneapolis agent says FBI headquarters rewrote requests for search warrants for Moussaoui

Agent Claims FBI Supervisor Thwarted Probe

Agent blasts FBI over 11 September 'cover-up'

Angry FBI agents joked about al Qaeda mole at HQ

Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle - New evidence that the Bureau quashed another terror probe before 9/11

FBI Agent: Bureau Prevented Terror Probe

The ignored warning: FBI officer prevented from prosecuting future 9/11 hijacker

Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle


Click below for Full Text


Anonymous said...

"or listen to or read the debate on Democracy Now with the editors of Popular Mechanics:"

Am I the only in thinking that the creators of "Loose Change" got their hands handed to them like the two little idiots that they are?

"As far as the Popular Mechanics book, I suggest you listen..."

I repeat the question that you dodged...... Have you read the PM book? What parts of their science and logic do you disagree with?

Anonymous said...

"Instead of actually showing where the 911 Truth movement is wrong, they just attack, and put up a weak "debunking" by Popular Mechanics."

So where is it weak, especially compared to the conspiracists fantasy?

I can'rt believe CBS of all the big liberal rags finally subjected the conspiracists to some proper reporting. such as...

"Of the 76 full members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, only four are listed as having backgrounds in physics, three in engineering; the other 69 "scholars" are mostly in the humanities and social sciences."

"We cannot allow the truth of what happened on 9/11 to be clouded by the conspiracy nuts. America cannot afford to lose the will to fight this war."

Boy does CBS ever hit the nail on the head with this.........

"But the amateur speculation so prevalent there can be cancelled out to a large degree by top-notch investigative reporting, which is what the big media are supposed to do. In this, however, the media have been less than thorough, and, to a large extent, the 9/11 conspiracy theories have spread because the mainstream media have failed in their duty to get to the truth of the matter.

Popular Mechanics did an excellent job refuting the conspiracy theorists, as has the NIST. But their work has been little explored by the mainstream press. On top of that, media outlets have tended to do puff pieces on the conspiracy theorists rather than expose their shoddy research. Too many reports on the conspiracy nuts treat them as if their ideas are to be given the same consideration as the facts. The conspiracy theorists are given the standard J-school "fairness treatment." Get a quote from Person A and another from Person B, present both sides evenly, and leave it at that. The Washington Post did exactly that in its piece on the conspiracy theorists last Friday. Whatever the merits of that approach, it doesn't work in this case.

None of the conspiracy theories can stand up to scrutiny; that they have stood up at all is mostly because the mainstream press has not given them any real scrutiny. The academics tend to be treated with the respect any other academic would get, and because they are professors the stories are made to read just like any other dispute between professors. But in reality, the scholars peddling the 9/11 theories are practicing almost entirely outside of their realm of expertise (e.g., Griffin, the theologian) and are an ultra-tiny minority dismissed as crackpots by the vast majority of the academic world, not to mention the world of engineering."

I can't believe I'm saying this.... CBS has actually committed an act of responsible jounalism. I guess a broken calender is right once a year.

Anonymous said...

In ever fiber of me I knew that story of CBS just seemed way too accurate and reasonable to be out of that cesspool of CBS. I went back to check who the author was and low and behold what do I see.....

By Andrew Cline
Reprinted with permission from National Review Online.

The world has just returned upright and the pigs have landed. I knew that story couldn't have been generated
internally to CBS. A CBS reporter never would have been given permission to question rumors and lies that are presently hurting our country or the administration.

BLKNIGHT18 said...


911 Mysteries - Demolitions: Three Part Video

Google video | September 13 2006

90 minutes of pure demolition evidence and analysis, laced with staggering witness testimonials. Moving from "the myth" through "the analysis" and into "the players," careful deconstruction of the official story set right alongside clean, clear science. The 9/11 picture is not one of politics or nationalism or loyalty, but one of strict and simple physics. How do you get a 10-second 110-story pancake collapse?

NC 911 Truth said...

Largest Swiss Paper Asks If Bush Was Behind 911


NC 911 Truth said...

qwwwiwwDuke Chronicle publishes article about "Academic Freedom"

read the comments too

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Numerous experts have stated that the collapse of the world trade centers was, or looked like, controlled demolition:

An expert on demolition said that the trade centers were brought down with explosives

Two structural engineers at a prestigious Swiss university said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

A Dutch demolition expert stated that WTC 7 was imploded

A U.S. professor of physics stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled demolition

A U.S. professor of mechanical engineering argued that the trade centers were brought down with explosives

Several U.S. structural engineers, such as this one (second interview), have concluded that the collapse of the Trade Centers on 9/11 cannot be explained by the plane crashes and fires in the buildings

An expert on why buildings collapse said controlled demolitions make buildings fall straight down (as opposed to falling over like a tree, which is what normally happens when buildings collapse) because the vertical columns are destroyed simultaneously by explosives, and "that's exactly what it looked like and that's what happened" on 9/11

The head of a national demolition association stated that the collapse of the towers looked like a "classic controlled demolition"

A terrorism security expert used by many news organizations asked, after commenting on the "secondary explosions", "whether in fact there wasn't something else at the base of the towers that in fact were the coup de grace to bring them to the ground" (keep in mind that a controlled demolition involves the use of explosives both at the base of the building and in higher sections of the building)

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Why "NOT" to Fight for 9/11 Truth
by Bill Douglas, opednews.com


Early on when it became apparent to me that the official 9/11 story was a massive deception, it became urgent to tell others and spread this information wide and far. Having been a peace & justice activist my whole life, naturally I ran to the peace movement.

I discovered two things quickly. 1) Many people in the peace movement shared my concerns about "problems" with the official 9/11 story, however, 2) Much of the top leadership in the peace movement accepted the official story of 9/11, and refused to consider troubling evidence to the contrary.

One woman who was a major peace group leader, who's name I won't mention, said that she wouldn't search for 9/11 truth because "she didn't like the people in the 9/11 truth movement."

So, I decided to make a list of all the reasons I've heard for the "left" or "peace & justice" communities to avoid looking at the hard facts regarding 9/11.

1) Conspiracy theories are crazy talk
2) 9/11 Truth movement is an anti-Semitic movement
3) 9/11 Truth people are pushy and rude
4) 9/11 Truth people need therapy
5) If 9/11 facts were a problem, there'd be tons of "experts" complaining
6) If 9/11 facts had problems the free American media would be all over it
7) US govt. officials wouldn't attack their own people

Joseph Goebbels saw clearly that people would grasp at excuses when the truth was too ugly to face. Fact is that no one has to join a "movement" to fight for the truth about 9/11, one only needs to stop pretending that the official story makes sense. Then your natural human curiosity will begin to do what it does best, ask questions, and search for answers based on common sense and science, rather than propaganda. [...]

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Aaron Russo's America: From Freedom to Fascism

on Google Video


Anonymous said...

"one only needs to stop pretending that the official story makes sense"

Still waiting to hear how YOU, leader blknight18, disagree with the science and engineering in the PM book?

Oh you're so "brave" enough to publicly accuse our governemnt of murdering 3,000 of our own citizens in cold blood but not confident enough in your logical thought process to read a book that would take less then 3-4 hours to read.

...... waiting
...... waiting
...... crickets chirping

Anonymous said...

Well the DukeChronicle column got some proper feedback

Janet D
posted 9/19/06 @ 7:58 AM EST
Larry Burk's support of 9/11 conspiracy has as much academic integrity as his compatriots of the holocaust denial movement. In fact the 9/11 conspircay movement grew out of the ugly anti-semitic accusations soon after 9/11 that the jews were responsible for the 911 attacks.

When professors support racist and evil accusations that our government killed 3,000 of our own citizens in cold blood with crackpot theories, his actions are the biggest danger is tarring all real professors with unconventional thinking professors but which have REAL peer-reviewed theories.

You can see some of Mr. Burk's fellow crackpots at www.nc911truth.blogspot.com and see them spreading their ugly lies

BLKNIGHT18 said...

anonymous, have you checked the book against the NIST's own FAQ? Because if you did you would find that Popular Mechanics contradicts itself. I already provided a link that shows the fallacies of the Popular Mechanics book, can you not read? I'll provide it again.


NC 911 Truth said...

It always amazes me that those in denial about 9-11 truth can only call us names and insult our integrity and motives. They never take the time to check out why we believe we have been lied to by our government.
Prov:12:19: The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.
Prov:18:13: He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
If they really wanted an answer to the question as to why the PM article doesn't satisfy us, they would find out.
The article really doesn't answer any of the questions. It is another attempt to cover up and keep the people asleep. The big media in the pocket of the Neo-Cons and influenced by the CIA, have a look at this article. > http://911truthnc.org/
To the anonymous above, what are you afraid of? Do you really think we have not read the lies that PM put out? What is a few hours more of research, when we have already put in thousands.

BLKNIGHT18 said...


List of former government officials publicly questioning the government's story:

Berg, Philip J. - Deputy Attorney General, Pennsylvania
Bowman, Col. Robert - Director of Advanced Space Programs Development
under Presidents Ford and Carter
Burks, Fred - State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W. Bush
and Bill Clinton
Christison, William - Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and
Political Analysis
Cleland, Senator Max - Member of the 9/11 Commission. Former U.S.
Senator from Georgia
Cole, John M - Intelligence Operations Specialist, FBI
Conrad, David Mark - Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs
Costello, Edward J. - Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI
Dew, Rosemary N. - Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism &
Counterintelligence, FBI
Dzakovic, Bogdan - Counterterrorism expert, FAA
Edmonds, Sibel - Language Translation Specialist, FBI
Elson, Steve - Special Agent, FAA
Fitts, Catherine Austin - Assistant Secretary of Housing under George
H.W. Bush
Freeh, Louis - Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001
Goodman, Melvin - Division Chief and Senior Analyst of Soviet Affairs, CIA
Goulder, Morton - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under Presidents
Nixon, Ford, Carter
Graf, Mark - Security Supervisor, Department of Energy
Graham, Gilbert M. - Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI
Heikal, Mohamed Hassanein - Foreign Minister, Egypt
Hellyer, Paul - Minister of National Defense and Deputy Prime Minister,
Honegger, Barbara - White House Policy Analyst Under Ronald Reagan
Ivashov, Gen. Leonid - Chief of Staff of the Russian Armed Forces
Kleiman, Diane - Special Agent, U.S. Customs
Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Karen - Political Military Affairs Officer, Office
of the Secretary of Defense
Larkin, Lynne A. - Operation Officer, CIA
MacMichael, David - Senior Estimates Officer, CIA
McGovern, Raymond L. - Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA
Meacher, Michael - Undersecretary for Industry, Minister for the
Environment, UK
Nelson, Col. George - U.S. Air Force aircraft crash investigator
Pahle, Theodore J. - Senior Intelligence Officer, Defense Intelligence
Peck, Edward L. - Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on
Terrorism under Ronald Reagan
Ray, Col. Ronald D. - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under Ronald
Reynolds, Morgan - Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under
George W. Bush
Ritter, Maj. Scott - Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief UN
Weapons Inspector in Iraq
Roberts, Paul Craig - Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under
Ronald Reagan
Rokke, Maj. Douglas - Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project
Sarshar, Behrooz - Language Translation Specialist, FBI
Shayler, David - Counterterrorism Agent, MI5 (UK)
Stubblebine, Maj. Gen. Albert - Commanding General, U.S. Army Intelligence
Sullivan, Brian F. - Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA
Tortorich, Larry J. - US Naval Officer and Dept. of Homeland Security
Turner, Jane A. - Special Agent, FBI
Vincent, John B. - Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI
von Buelow, Andreas - Minister of National Defense, West Germany
Weldon, Rep. Curt - Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee
Whitehurst, Dr. Fred - Supervisory Special Agent, Forensic Examiner, FBI
Wittenberg, Capt. Russ - Air Force Fighter Pilot and Commercial Jet Pilot
Wright, Col. Ann - U.S. Army and Former Diplomat
Zipoli, Matthew J. - Special Response Team Officer, Department of Energy

Anonymous said...

So I looked at http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html and its top 3 links at top of page.

1) They all talk about the incompleteness of a 9 page article. Fine, there is a 164 page BOOK that goes into infinite detail.

2)All their arguements and objections can be grouped into one or more of the following tactics of conspiracists as detailed in the book. These methods are Marginalization of opposing viewpoints, Arguement by anomaly, Slipshod handling of facts, Repetition, Circular reasoning, Demonization, Guilt by association, Paranoid style.

You accuse people of being sheep, but you let other people and websites (that have ZERO credibility in engineering) tell you how to think about the data presented by a respected 100+ year old magazine devoted to engineering, structures, and aircraft. You are accusing our goverment of one of the largest crimes in the history of the world, and saying that there are thousands of co-conspirators that participated in murdering thousands of innocet citizens, YET YOU REFUSE TO SPEND 3-4 HOURS TO READ A BOOK THAT QUESTIONS YOUR BELIEFS. It is clear that you are AFRAID TO READ THE BOOK because it might burst your bubble with its plain logic. There can be no other reason not to read the book that I can think of (feel free to say why you won't read it). Don't say you're too busy because I'd wager that all of you boil 3-4 hours every night or two joining in on the conspiracy sites.

How is it not perfectly valid for normal people to think that you have a pre-concieved agenda (i.e. Bush is Evil! America is Evil!) and that you blindly follow any half-baked crackpot theory that will diminish Bush and America in the eyes of the world.

Anonymous said...

Date: Thursday, 17 March 2005

A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11.
Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.

The Reichstag fire, a key event in German history, and the steps that followed en suite leading to the Nazi dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, provide remarkable precedents for what occurred in the United States on 9/11 and since.

The fire that consumed the German parliament building on the night of February 27, 1933, is "widely believed," according to Encyclopedia Britannica, to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government to turn public opinion against its opponents and allow it to assume emergency powers.

The day after the burning of the Reichstag, the government headed by Adolf Hitler enacted a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State." Hitler's emergency decree dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights.

Likewise, a month after 9/11 the U.S. Congress passed, without even
reading, similar emergency legislation: the Bush administration's USA PATRIOT Act of 2001. The pre-prepared massive security act's long
title is "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism."

Within a month of the Reichstag fire, on March 23, 1933, the
parliament passed the Enabling Act, whereby its legislative powers were transferred to Hitler's Reich Cabinet. This act, passed by a vote of 444 to 94, legally sanctioned the Nazi dictatorship,

Another parallel is seen in the way George W. Bush and Hitler came to power. Bush obtained the presidency in 2001 through a Supreme Court decision after a flawed and un-counted election, while Hitler secured the German chancellorship through elections in November 1932 in which the Nazi Party failed to win an outright majority.

Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is thought to have let arsonists into the parliament building through a tunnel leading from the official residence of Hermann Goring, Reichstag president and Hitler's chief minister. Goring then presided over the official investigation, which blamed the communists. In a similar manner, the Bush administration openly
opposed an independent investigation of 9/11 and fixed blame on Osama Bin Laden and 19 Arab terrorists. Based on this official, but unproven, explanation for 9/11 the United States has invaded and occupied two Middle Eastern nations.

"Ninety-five percent of the work of intelligence agencies around the world is disinformation and deception," Andreas von Bulow, former parliamentary official responsible for the budget for Germany's intelligence agencies, told American Free Press in December 2001.

Like Nazi Germany of 1933, American newsstands today carry a
mainstream magazine dedicated to pushing the government's "truth" of 9/11 while viciously smearing independent researchers as "extremists" who "peddle
fantasies" and make "poisonous claims."

The magazine pushing the government's 9/11 propaganda, Popular Mechanics (PM), is published by the Hearst family. Its March cover story, "Debunking 9/11 Lies," has been exposed by credible researchers to contain numerous distortions and flawed conclusions.
American Free Press revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old "senior researcher" who authored the 9/11 article, is related to Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The PM article illustrates how a propaganda method, used by dictatorships, is now being employed by the U.S. government:
controlling mainstream media outlets to promote its version of 9/11.
The actions of Michael Chertoff concerning the events of 9/11, the
non-investigation that followed, the USA PATRIOT Act, and the
propaganda being disseminated in PM, are strikingly similar to
actions attributed to the Nazi ministers Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Goring.

While Chertoff is the "czar" of DHS, he is not sovereign at PM or
Hearst Magazines, its corporate parent. The president of Hearst
Magazines, one of the world's largest publishers of monthly magazines with 18 U.S. titles and more than 100 international editions, is Cathleen P. Black, a 60-year old native of Chicago. Black oversees the publication of 175 titles around the world including Cosmopolitan, Harper's Bazaar, Town & Country, Esquire, Good Housekeeping, and Popular Mechanics.

Black is a former president and publisher of USA Today. In 1983, Black was made president of the new newspaper published by Gannett. The following year she was made publisher and soon became a member of Gannett's board of directors.

"Despite her efforts," her biography reads, "USA Today did not show an operating profit in the eight years that Black was there." The newspaper's non-profitability notwithstanding, Gannett paid Black $600,000 a year for her efforts. USA Today reportedly had a circulation of 1.8 million when Black left in 1991. USA Today is often given away free of charge.

Black left USA Today to become president and chief executive of the nascent Newspaper Association of America (NAA), formed on June 1, 1992. She then became the leading spokesperson and lobbyist for the nation's newspaper industry. Black's position at the NAA carried "considerable political heft," Paul Farhi of The Washington Post wrote, "given that
the 1,400 members of her organization control the nation's editorial pages."
In 1995, for an annual salary reported to be "in excess of $1
million," Black was hired by Hearst Corp. to head its magazine division.
Named by Fortune magazine as one of the Most Powerful Women in
American Business, Black sits on the boards of Hearst Corp., the Advertising Council, IBM, and Coca-Cola. She is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

It is often said that USA Today is controlled by the CIA, which, like the paper, is based in McLean, Virginia. The little-known fact that Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, an obscure lawyer who became a White House Fellow in 1977 and served as "special assistant' to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), provides substance to these
rumors. Black's corporate biography does not mention her husband.

President Jimmy Carter made Harvey a White House Fellow in May 1977. "In that capacity," Harvey's biography reads, he "served as special assistant to the Director of the C.I.A. Following that he held senior appointed positions within the Department of Defense."

The DCI at the time was Stansfield Turner, who had replaced George H.W. Bush.
Prior to serving the CIA, Harvey worked at the New York law office of Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. The international law firm, co-founded by Morris Hadley, a 1916 member of Yale University's secret society Skull & Bones, has ties to the CIA and lists William H. Webster, DCI from 1987-1991, as a senior partner. Webster also serves on the Homeland Security Advisory Council.
In the 1980s, Harvey served as General Counsel and Congressional
Liaison of the U.S. Information Agency, the former external
propaganda arm of the U.S. government. Harvey also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Army and Navy. In 1992, Harvey was personnel director for the Bush-Quayle '92 Campaign. Calls to the offices of Black and Harvey for the purpose of this article went unanswered.


In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal
take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazine's former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a "deputy," Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PM's 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.
A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for every year spent at PM. "Three or four" people have been similarly dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media.

PM has long been a supporter of the U.S. military. The magazine ran a full page ad in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in May 2003. Since the purge last September, however, PM readers have noticed that government propaganda has replaced scientific writing. A letter to the editor in the current issue says, "I think you guys are just another tool in the government's propaganda machine."

Anonymous said...

The above posting includes at least three of the tactics of conspiracists, MOOV, GBA, and D.

Do any of you on this board have the capacity for original thought? Read the evil, scray (boogity...boogity) book by PM and tell us in your OWN words how it is wrong.

Oh so willing to call our government mass murderers but not confident enough to read a 4 hour book.

...... waiting ..... hello? ...... anybody read the book yet? ...... waiting .....

That's what I thought.

Change-Or-Be-Chained said...

Weren't the most important points of the book already released? Is the book available for free? I'm not about to spend my Illuminati created money on a NeoCon created book.


Anonymous said...

I saw enough of James Meigs on the Democracy Now! 9/11 debate with Loose Change to persuade me not to waste my time reading the book. He kept repeating not to trust the eyewitnesses who were actually at the scene of the events, but to believe THE EXPERTS (mainly government contractors) that he handpicked months or years later to debunk the eyewitnesses. Believe your eyes, not the lies.

The buildings exploded to dust right in front of all of us. If they had just "fallen down" there would have still been a huge pile of building material there, not a pile of dust.

If buildings just disintegrated due to jet fuel and fires they could put the whole controlled demolition industry out of business. Just fly a plane into a building you want to bring down and stand back and watch it all fall down into a nice neat pile in its footprint. No expensive weeks of precision planning. Duh ...

Anonymous said...

"I'm not about to spend my Illuminati created money on a NeoCon created book."
"I saw enough of James Meigs on the Democracy Now! 9/11 debate with Loose Change"

Well these statements pretty much sums up the anti-American and anti-fact foundation of the 911 conspiracists.
Unwilling to spend $10 at amazon before accusing your government of mass murder.
More then gullible to be a bunch of sheep falling the Loose Change herd.

Unwilling (and quite possibly incapable) of comprehending basic scientific facts presented by a team of science professionals that don't have an axe to grind.

I'll remind you again that you waste far more time and money pursuing your conspiracist theories than the liitle time and money of the PM book. Keep on dreaming up more excuses why you avoid the book, but everybody knows that "you can't handle the truth"

...... Anybody read the book yet?
..... Anybody come up with an original idea of their own yet?
...... waiting
...... waiting
...... crickets again
...... Sounds of laughter directed at you

BLKNIGHT18 said...

Anonymous, try directing your laughter at the first responders. They sounded off on your popular mechanics book (which is nothing but a beefed up version of their 2005 article):


At Community Church in New York City on September 9, 2006, a group of 9/11 first responders shared their experiences at ground zero and afterward.

"We were also killed on 9/11. Avenge us," pleads former National Guard sargeant, David Miller. "We came to your rescue on 9/11. Now thousands of us and our families need you to come to ours."

Heroic first responders are dying of toxic exposure at Ground Zero. Now they are asking the 9/11 Truth movement to wake up the rest of the country to the real terrorists of 9/11: the US government, with the complicity of media giants. Miller notes of those Americans who refuse to look at the truth, "I know something about sheep. Sheep never conceive that the man who fills their grain bins, but without any afterthought, one day starts cutting throats...and everytime 'Popular Mechanics' calls the people of this movement 'nuts', these propagandists, professional liars and tools, who cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be called journalists, strike another nail into the coffin of another rescue worker." In closing, Miller quotes a hero of his, Edward R. Murrow: "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."

Major Mike McCormick, volunteer and civil air patrol pilot, begins by addressing the assembled 9/11 Truth activists, "As I look out in the audience I do not see audience participants, but I see extended members of the 9/11 family." McCormick notes of 9/11 first responders, "There are hundreds and thousands of people that are now sick." and he declares, "The majority of us believe in a higher authority, of the goodness of man. Unfortunately, the people that are in office are scoundrels and they look at God as gold, oil, and drugs." McCormick adds, "There is actually $1 billion dollars in a fund for 9/11 responders..Mayor Bloomberg has spent $40 million of that $1 billion dollars denying claims."

McCormick says further, "A month ago, I had gotten a report that was deemed "SECRET". It was the report from the Executive Office legal department to Christy Todd Whitman, advising her to downplay the severity of Ground Zero...Now, Christy Todd Whitman, I'm happy to say, is going to have her day of reckoning...It is time for good Americans to take back this country...CIA, NSA,, you name the acronym, I would say a good 80% of all agencies involved [in 9/11] are Manchurian candidates. These are the people sworn to protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and the only thing Homeland Security does is decimate the United States Constitution...The Homeland Security Department, the only thing that they don't take care of, is the country's patriots....Every single responder, police, fire, EMS, every volunteer, they are the Minutemen ..The only thing these responders didn't have is a country that gave a s***."

McCormick quotes Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to stand by idly and do nothing. Your participation here, today, shows me they will not get away with it...[Bush] cons people into joining the military. ...he just changes the name of the mission from Enduring Freedom to Enduring Bulls*** or whatever it is..." Of Christy Todd Whitman, McCormick observes, "It is sure as hell she's going to be convicted of crimes against humanity, treason, just to name a few. However, if Bush is behind the catbird seat, the only thing he's going to do is pardon her. That can't happen. We cannot let it happen."

Medic and former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert, Kevin McPadden, observes of Ground Zero, "There was so much radiant heat...that's not jet fuel that burns off 10 hours later, it's not any kind of incendiary...nothing was burning, no combustibles. This was chemicals, this was explosives." Mc Padden remembers taking a cigarette break after carrying three 250-pound women down 25 flights of stairs, when Mayor Bloomburg comes up to him and says, 'You know, you think you look cool with that cigarette in your mouth. But you look like a dirt bag.'" McCormick concludes, "This is a gross miscarriage of justice. And the government and the state are despicable. Our country has been taken over by these nasty corporate giants and they seem to have given our government HIV and us, in the Truth movement, we're the white blood cells. We're the ones holding it back. We're suffering from a bad infection."

"New York Stories: 9/11 First Responders"

Toxic conditions at ground zero, on 9/11 and long afterward, have had devastating physical and psychological effects on a category of persons known as "first responders". These are the people that showed up, some within minutes, some from across the country, and stayed for weeks and even months. At Community Church in New York City on September 9, 2006, a group of 9/11 first responders shared their experiences at ground zero and afterward. Though they were touted as heroes, they have been treated like poor servants. Presentations by National Guardsman, David Miller; former New York City police officer, Craig Bartmer; volunteer and civil air patrol pilot, Major Mike McCormick; and former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden.

Anonymous said...

You folks would have your heads taken off if you went into a 1st responders gathering.

BLKNIGHT18 said...

anonymous, can you read what those first responders said?

Did you listen to their stories?

Or do you choose to ignore the suffering of our heroes on 911?

A member of NC 9/11 Truth, documentary filmmaker Rebecca Cerese, was with first responders and others on Ground Zero last week as they told their stories, and how they were lied to by the EPA and city officials about the quality of the air in the rubble. Your assumptions are incorrect. They want the truth about what happened on 9/11 to come out, and the criminals brought to justice.

If you stopped relying on assumption, and actually listened at studied the facts, you would be much better off.

Anonymous said...

What the hell does the EPA and city officals have do with your crackpot conspiracy conjectures that our government murdered our citizens on 911? What every grievence group in America is another part of your "proof" about the guilt of our government on 911? The health impact due to dust of falling buildings has nothing to do with who committed the act. Just more piling on by america-hater Rebecca Cerese.

BLKNIGHT18 said...

anonymous, I'm starting to believe you have a reading comprehension problem. Did you see above what the first responders said at the 5th anniversary? You are the one who made the assertion that people in the American government couldn't lie and be complicit in the deaths of Americans. What has happened with the health of the first responders and the government coverup by multiple agencies that led to their conditions completely refutes your assumptions.

Heroic first responders are dying of toxic exposure at Ground Zero. Now they are asking the 9/11 Truth movement to wake up the rest of the country to the real terrorists of 9/11: the US government, with the complicity of media giants. Miller notes of those Americans who refuse to look at the truth, "I know something about sheep. Sheep never conceive that the man who fills their grain bins, but without any afterthought, one day starts cutting throats...and everytime 'Popular Mechanics' calls the people of this movement 'nuts', these propagandists, professional liars and tools, who cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be called journalists, strike another nail into the coffin of another rescue worker." In closing, Miller quotes a hero of his, Edward R. Murrow: "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."

Anonymous said...

When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.
When you're an America-hating crackpot everything looks like a conspiracy.

So now the EPA and city officials are part of the conspiracy?
If you were part of the conspiracy to bring down the towers why would you WANT people at the scene of the crime possibly seeing
evidence of your crime? You want first to get Dick Cheney and Haliburton on scene to get rid of the incriminating residual evidence!!

Your conspiracies don't even make sense to a 4th grader!

News broadcasts minutes after the towers falling were talking about the possible environmental and health hazards at ground zero. You'd have to be a moron not to know there was health risks. Masks and/or respirators were the order of the day, every day. People chose to ignore them for a variety of reasons (cramps my style, fogs my glasses, etc). Regardless of these risks, as usuual, true Americans stepped forward and threw themselves into the unknown abyss to help possibly save other Americans. That's what we Americans do in a crisis (of coarse excluding people like you). Guarenteed that there were multiple agencies taking air samples trying to determine if the air was dangerous or not. There was probably arguements on both sides of the data. If they tried to shut down the site for health reasons the firefighters and policemen would surelly have said "Screw you Mr. EPA I'm going in and finding my fallen brother and sisters now! (once again you folks probably wouldn't understand this thinking). After a week or so it was evident that there was no urgent rush. Everybody would have probably agreed to stand down and postpone further rescue efforts IF there was STRONG data that indicated imminent health hazards. That PROBABLY was not the case, so things continued forward.

So now many months or years later maybe there may be a more conclusive data that only time reveals. MAybe now people can calmly sit back and look at data from various agencies and say that YES maybe there was a danger. Maybe there even was agregious government incompetance? Maybe there is additional government incompetance as the victims try to get health care for their injuries.

But, WAIT A SECOND!! Is government incompetance something new in this world? Isn't it you LLL's that want to vote in MORE DEMOCRATS AND MORE GOVERNMENT into our lives which means MORE INCOMPETANCE??!!?? So it sounds like YOU are the perpetrators of this tragedy if truth be told. You maybe should be looking in the mirror for the real problem in this country.

To summarize this into a neat package.
1) Brave Americans once again treaded into danger to save other Americans.
2) Possible mistakes were made by government officials in a time of crisis. (What a surprise!)
3) Government MIGHT be compounding the problem with further incompetance and slow response. More government, more waste, would say conservatives.
4) Liberals continue to say the solution to government incompetance is more government. Huhhhh?!?
5) New twist. Crackpots who hate America confuse incompetance with cold blooded criminal acts. WTF!

BLKNIGHT18 said...

"Possible mistakes" are not government documents showing deliberate coverup.

Or is the New York Post a crazy conspiracy publication?

Are EPA whistleblowers crackpots?

Or are you a partisan person in deep denial who runs away from the facts?

You deny the possibility of conspiracies. Do you deny 20% of Federal convictions?

Iran-Contra was a conspiracy, do you think the trials and convictions were imaginary?

Come back to the real world and face facts.